Funding Rural | Episode #6 | The Love of People with C’Ardiss ‘CC’ Gardner Gleser

C’Ardiss “CC” Gardner Gleser is an advocate for social impact and racial justice work. In episode six, CC shares her experiences as a Black woman working in philanthropy after George Floyd’s murder and she talks about the historical precedence of double standards in the workforce. She also covers her current work on reparations. CC and host Erin Borla got to know each other while serving as Fellows for the National Center for Family Philanthropy, and they often noted how challenges in inner-city communities echoed challenges in rural and remote communities. In both spaces, the ways funders show up often determines their impact.

“How do we get folks to show up with humility and the willingness to be vulnerable?” — CC Gardner Gleser

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CC Gardner Gleser on Funding Rural Podcast

C’Ardiss ‘CC’ Gardner Gleser is an advocate for social impact and racial justice work. CC began her career in the tech sector, later transitioning to non-profit work to better fulfill her purpose and passion. CC moved from working in nonprofits to the funding side to increase her impact and is now entrenched in the philanthropic sector. CC was the first Director of Programs and Strategic Initiatives at Satterberg Foundation, whose mission focuses on promoting a just society and sustainable environment. In 2021, CC left Satterberg Foundation and founded Black Ivy Collective, which provides consulting and advising services in the philanthropic sector, as well as provides healing spaces for Black artists, scholars, and social justice advocates in community. She is currently a Fellow with Compton Foundation and NCFP (National Center for Family Philanthropy). CC currently serves on the boards of Andrus Family Fund, Charlotte Martin Foundation, EPIP (Emerging Practitioners in Philanthropy), and Grist Media.

“At the end of the day, I think when you just kind of pull everything back, philanthropy, the literal translation is just love of people. And I think if we showed up with that in the work, but not just in the work but in everything else we do, I feel like we can get a lot of stuff done.” — CC Gardner Gleser

Discussion Questions

  • Does your organization have participatory grantmaking committees? How do you find participants in those committees?
  • How do you engage people with lived experience in your process? What are some other ways that those with lived experience could support your work?
  • Does your organization talk about it’s wealth story? How is that story expressed?
  • How does your organization continue to develop skills around diversity, equity and inclusion work? Is this something that is talked about regularly? How is the education, outreach and development continuing for folks within your organization?
  • CC describes working through things that are hard or uncomfortable – and pushing herself. Is there a time that this work was challenging and uncomfortable for you? How did it feel to sit in the discomfort? How did you move through it?
  • Do you agree that it’s important to show vulnerability in your work?
  • Talk about how you use social capital to help organizations in your network.

Resources

  • CC Gardner Gleser’s company, Black Ivy Collective
  • Council on Foundations
  • PEAK Grantmaking calls on grantmakers to assess their systems and adjust them to minimize bias, reduce disparities, and become more inclusive
  • I Never Thought of it That Way a book by Monica Guzman
  • Our Kids: The American Dream in Crisis, a book by Robert D. Putnam
  • Compton Foundation
  • National Center for Family Philanthropy, where CC and Erin are fellows:

    “I think once you can feel it in your body, and you’ve connected with it in a real way, it changes how you do the work. You’re no longer maybe showing up in with the charity mindset or ‘the savior’ piece.” — CC Gardner Glaser

    Transcript: Funding Rural Episode #6  “The Love of People” with C’Ardiss ‘CC’ Gardner Gleser

    Erin Borla: 0:10
    You’re listening to Funding Rural. I’m Erin Borla with the Roundhouse Foundation. I’m also a Fellow with the National Center for Family Philanthropy. Today I want to introduce you to CC Gardiner Glaser. She’s one of my fellow fellows with NCFP. And someone I have really enjoyed getting to know. CC is an advocate for social impact and racial justice work. She serves on the boards of several family foundations and has worked in philanthropy for over a decade now. I really appreciated CC opening up about being a woman of color, traveling in these philanthropic circles, I think it’s important to recognize how our experiences impact how we show up as funders. I wanted to have CC on the show, because when we talk about the challenges and missed opportunities in rural philanthropy, she and I often comment on how her work with inner city communities of color, and our rural work resemble each other, though, we’ll get into that, as always, stick around after our conversation, and I’ll share some of my key takeaways. And you can also check out show notes and more reading at FundingRural.com.

    CC Gardner Gleser: 1:12
    I work in philanthropy, and the way I came to it was just, I worked in nonprofits. And I, you know, on the nonprofit side, I always helped with writing the grants for the organization I worked at, and I would see, you know, the grants, we would get all the grants we wouldn’t get. And then I spent some time on a couple of participatory grantmaking committees. And I just, it was really interesting, once I got on that side of it to make decisions about grants, and I saw who was at the table. And folks were making decisions about communities they had not spent time in, didn’t really have a connection to and I thought, oh, my gosh, I have to get to the other side of this. And then I just started looking for jobs over there. And, and it’s been yeah, it’s just been eye opening. And at the end of the day, I think when you just kind of peel, everything back philanthropy, the literal translation is just love of people. And, and I just think I mean, if we showed up with that in the work, but not just in the work but in everything else we do, I feel like we can get a lot of stuff done.

    Erin Borla: 2:33
    I love that. So the podcast that we’re doing talks about rural philanthropy, and I am so thrilled to be able to talk to you because I think when we’ve chatted over the past several months, there’s these through lines that we see in philanthropy, regardless of community. And I think it’s really critical that we talk about that. So I wanted to touch on the comment that you said about making decisions about communities that they haven’t spent any time in. And I just think I want to dig into that just briefly, because that’s something that we’ve heard throughout all the different episodes that I’ve done here ,of like, just show up, just to be present for a minute. So tell me a little bit about your experience with that.

    CC Gardner Gleser: 3:14
    Yes. Um, so I mean, I was seeing this kind of over and over, where there was this idea where folks would use maybe an article or something they read as the evidence and how they should proceed in the grant making. And, and I remember and I was sitting there, and, and one particular instance I will never forget is we were making, it was with a Women’s Funding Foundation, and we were making decisions, there were these two grants, and one was to support teenage mothers, and one was, I think it was to support Planned Parenthood and teenage prevention, and I mean, pregnancy prevention. And, and everyone at the table, all women were like, we want to give to the Planned Parenthood grant, we want to prevent the teenage pregnancy prevention. And I was wondering, you know, I get the systems change stuff, but we kind of have to do both and direct services involved in. So I really kept asking the why don’t we want to support this other this other organization? And they were like, oh, we’d rather do you know, something bigger. And, and I said, well, do you have do you know any teen parents or and they’re like, Well, no, but we know that this we just need to stop it, you know, before it starts. And I was like, well raise your hand if there are any anyone at the table that had their kids as a teen. So I raised my hand and I was like, Oh, just me. Okay, so can you know can I share, I was like, it’s really strange that you are making decisions and then they were telling me about well, this article says this Sir, this one and I was like, but I’m a real whole person, and I’ve actually lived it. So why aren’t our voices at the table? And you know, and then from there, I really started to key in on that where folks were using, they we’re using everything, all of this information they we’re getting from wherever, but then I, when I would ask, will have you been there? Have you even just talked to folks in that community to ask them what they need? And they were like, whoa, and it was almost like, I didn’t know what, like, that’s not how you do the work. So that was a little bit like, I didn’t know what I was talking about. And like, we have the best of the best people that wrote these white papers. For us, and, and we trust them. And it was, I really just couldn’t understand why folks were just unwilling to show up in communities and, and not to come in and like, take a community over or, you know, and not to be weird with the kind of voyeurism that happens to. {Yeah} But to come in and learn and just get to know real people, and the real stories of why the work matters. And, and then, you know, because I think once you can feel it in your body, and you’ve connected with it in a real way, it changes how you do the work. You’re no longer maybe showing up in with the charity mindset or the the savior piece. Like, well, we just have to do this because these people don’t know or, you know, just just that kind of feeling and, but when, because it’s also the charity mindset. I always think is kind of this one sided piece, like, you need us to help you. Let us do this for you. And then I will feel good about it. Where when you show up in community, it actually changes you, too, you know, so, it’s, it’s not a one, it’s for everyone.

    Erin Borla: 7:05
    You and I got connected because we’re both fellows for the National Center for Family Philanthropy. So tell me about your journey, sort of getting into that space and what you’re working on with your fellowship project.

    CC Gardner Gleser: 7:17
    Yeah, yeah. Um, so the work I’m doing for my project is the to work with wealth holders that are doing the work of relational reparations. Where there’s a couple of pods where folks are building these really deep, strong relationships, and they’re and with, with, with so, some of them, it’s like white women and black women. And they’re talking about the white women are the wealth holders, and they’re talking about where their money came from. Which in a lot of communities, I think, particularly wealthy ones, we don’t talk about money. Well we you, I don’t know why I say we, because I’m a regular person. And, you know, and I, and I, and it wasn’t until I was around, like people with wealth, that I know, for them, I was kind of maybe off putting, because I always talked about money. I’m like, Oh my gosh, my light bill was $400. What the hell? Or these groceries, how am I going to afford groceries, a mortgage and gas in the same month? Or, you know, but it was, and I think in my family, we always talked about money. I mean, we would name it, it was just a regular part of the conversation. Like if someone says, oh my gosh, I love your dress. I’m like, thank you it was $14 I got it at such and such. And I didn’t know that was different until I was around wealthy folks. And no one ever talked about money. And, and so it was, I was like Oh my God. And then when I would want to talk about, Well, where did your wealth come from? And they’re like, well, you know, my family worked really hard. And I’m like, I’m pretty sure my grandfather worked pretty hard to, you know, so. And I knew his story of how they bought their first home or, and I’m just like, I want to know more. And, and to them, to many of the folks I was working with were like, no one, we don’t talk about money. Like it’s just not what we do. And I was like, but that’s the thing that’s going to change everything. Let’s talk about like where your wealth came from. And, and people would say, well, it doesn’t, especially as I started getting deeper into the reparative action work. And oftentimes, folks, would it make the connection around, like the institutional racism, systemic racism, the attempted genocide of indigenous folks and stolen land, and you know, and then the free labor, you know, like the country was built on the backs of black bodies. And I’m like, no one gets any of the wealth without those things happening. And it was just people were like, oh my gosh. I had they’re like, well, we had nothing to do with slavery, or we had no, you know. I’m like, no, it’s not at an individual level, but let’s talk about, like, if your, if your wealth comes from your grandfather, what were the things that he was able to move through that maybe my grandfather couldn’t move through, to be able to, like start a business or get a loan, or, you know? Like, I mean, I was like, when you’re in a country that literally had laws saying that black folks couldn’t live in this neighborhood, or banks, redlining and not giving loans or the GI bill only benefited some people. Like we have to talk about those things, because we don’t get here. Without it, it’s not, it’s not, it’s never as simple as like, this person was a hard worker, and this person isn’t, the bootstraps thing. So my solo project that I wanted to do, because now there’s more people who wealth holders that are willing to talk about their wealth and where it came from, is to really start modeling that. And in CFP, I saw is actually starting to talk about that. And I think that I mean, it just, I feel like it’s like the layers beginning to peel back. And what it’s what I’ve seen happening is like once people can share their own stories, and even recognize that they have their own story. It’s, it’s breaking down the walls of I don’t, I mean, I don’t like a humanity, you know, I don’t want to sound cheesy, but I really, really feel like if we can just break down those things and get to know each other, but also talk about, talk about the thing. Like if money is the thing, we got to talk about it. And then it completely starts to shift the conversation and, and removing the shame and guilt that a lot of wealth holders have around, like around even just having, having this, having this, this wealth. And then people have moved to start to return it to not just you know, giving money to nonprofits, but to individuals. And that has just been a game changer.

    Erin Borla: 12:26
    That’s such incredible work that you’re doing. I just, I always love chatting with you and hearing all about it. Because I think you get so passionate and hearing your passion and excitement and, and the way that things are and conversations are happening, I just think is really, really exciting. I mean, we get questions frequently, like, well, why do you and that’s why I started this podcast, right? It’s like, why do you, why do you focus on rural? Why is that important? Why are you doing that? And it’s those consistent questions. And it comes back to like, oh, well, maybe why are we doing that work? And it’s like, traditional underinvestment in these communities. And frankly, it’s like, we see that these communities haven’t been heard, haven’t been listened to, and haven’t been respected right. And that’s, I think, the through line with the work that, that you have done with some of the foundations that you’re working with, whether it’s in an urban center, or with communities of color, and with communities that we’re working on. And I think that’s why I so badly wanted to talk with you on this, is it’s an equity equation. Right? And, I mean, we can talk, we can get uncomfortable here for a minute, right? We’re friends. Let’s talk about like the racial justice movement, particularly after George Floyd’s murder, and how the shift that we saw in philanthropy and, and what that looked like, as a black woman as a black woman in philanthropy. And I’d love to just touch on that. And where are we see that now three and a half years later. Like, after the boxes have been checked. And I’d love to just touch on that if you’re comfortable with it.

    CC Gardner Gleser: 14:06
    Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I think just as you brought that up, I could feel like in my body, like some tightening. Of just when you when you ask, like and how was that for you. And, and, you know, I don’t even think I’ve really talked about it, you know, I mean, I’ve talked about like, has the money moved, or if people done what they said they’re gonna do, and then a lot of funders are pulling back. Like their increased spin that they did for three years. I’m they’re like, okay, that’s over. And I just remember when it happened, I mean, the experience that I had, like I started at a particular foundation in 2016. And I remember there were and, and we were doing some D diversity equity and inclusion work. And, and I remember it was, you know, we were doing at every board meeting, and I remember someone like, Oh, I thought we did this last month. And I’m like, well, you kind of had to do it all the time, especially, because I’m here. And I was the first person of color hired. The fourth, the fourth person on staff and the first person of color. And I think it was like, exciting, like, oh, we’ve hired a black woman, this is amazing. She’s gonna bring all of her experience. And then I think it was like, oh, wait, she’s gonna bring all of her experience. I’m a full person. And so I’m always going to be here. I don’t get to say like, you know, we talked about the, like, 2020, we’ve talked about what happened. And and now are we done with it, or even being in certain philanthropy circles, where folks were like, let and I remember, it was kind of like buildings were on fire when George Floyd was murdered, and everyone was like, oh, my gosh, we got to figure out what to do. We need to give money here. And we need to, and then people were reaching out to me, and they’re like, can you support us? Or we need help. And I was just like, what’s the urgency? Like, I don’t, that’s the piece, I could not understand where it was, it was this this piece of everyone wanting to move very quickly and fix the thing. But I was like, but this is the thing that’s always been happening, like, nothing has changed, what’s changed is that you saw it. And it was during the pandemic. So you were at home and things were a little bit quieter. So maybe it’s, it allowed people to get in touch with something that they, when they would see it before it really didn’t get into their bodies. So then I think that’s where they felt the urgency like, this is terrible, we have to do something. And for me, I was just like, this is literally the life that I live, like, I have a black boy. And one of my achievements, my accomplishments every year is that my son is still alive. And I was just like, this is real, this is real life. And, and I remember there was someone taught, there was someone that was the you know, there was a lot of videos and things coming out after George Floyd. And I remember trying to share something with a group I was working with. And they were like, well, we don’t want to watch it. Like we don’t, I don’t want to see that anymore. I want to just, just tell us where to send the money. And I was like, but that’s the thing, like I want, it’s more than just you sending the money. Like if you’re not allowed, because you don’t want to feel uncomfortable, because it makes you sad. You don’t want to watch this video. But it’s all I was like, but I need you to because it makes when you say like, you don’t want to see it, you just want to send the money. And me as a black woman, with black children, my black father, like, I it’s like you’re saying you don’t want to see me. And I really need to be seen. I need to be seen right now. Like I need you to slow down and sit for a second. And, and I want you to see like literally this is what so many of us have been holding. These, this is real life like this is real life for us every day. So even when you say to me, I don’t why do we have to do DEI stuff again? I’m like, I’m literally asking you to learn about something. Where me, my family, my communities are literally living it every day. And I’m asking you to learn about it. And like, you have zoom fatigue or you don’t want to like that you’re you don’t even I can’t even get you to learn about it. I was like do you know how painful that is? In 2020 I think so many things changed, for so many people. I mean, it was really where I started looking at, what am I doing? How am I spending my time? People aren’t just going to change overnight and, or really, or at all. I think there was some shaming and guilt that happened in 2020. So every, no one wanted to be the person without the Black Lives Matter sign in their yard. You know, but it’s like but you’re you literally have black people in your companies in your in your neighborhoods, and what are you doing to really say that you see them? Do you really see them? It’s this it can’t be like a trend and that’s sometimes what it what it felt like and when I left my job in 2021 to start consulting I wanted, I wanted to do work differently and I wanted to be in a place where people were going to say, you know, I know this is hard, this some of this work makes me very uncomfortable, but I still want to stick with it. And I want to do it. And I’m here for the opportunities to be called in when I say the wrong thing when I do the wrong thing. But I, I want to stay in this space, and continue to do it. And I just didn’t want to like, I don’t know, like I didn’t want to, I think just be a part of something that where people could see it as something they could tap in and tap out. Because this is like life. I don’t have the choice to tap in or tap out. Even though sometimes I want to.

    Erin Borla: 20:47
    Thank you for, for sharing, I know that it was challenging and difficult. And I do think it’s important that, and it circles back to a lot of the things we talked about earlier. But I think the biggest piece is that this learning is a continuum, right. Education is, is not like we’re going to do the training, and then we did it. And we can put it on our website. And we can say, oh, I did that, or oh, I read that book I saw on social media. Those things and I think that piece is the most critical piece of like, how do we, how do we recognize education as a continuum? And how do we hold space for people that we care about that impact our, that we work with that are friends, that are colleagues, but then also that maybe those that we aren’t as connected with? Those that like you shared we’re working in the company? Or, or the neighbor down the street? Like how do we how do we hold that space in a way that’s authentic and allows for vulnerability? {Oh my gosh, Yes.} Yeah. I don’t know. I mean, that’s why we started this work and doing we’re doing work across rural spaces includes reservation communities and working with our indigenous partners. And that was the first question that I asked was to other colleagues and partners that have done this work before, like, how do we, how do we do this work right, without screwing it up? And their answer was, buckle up, you’re gonna screw up. {Yeah} And that’s okay, and I think that’s hard, that’s a hard place to be. Is to know that you’re going to step in it, at some point, and have to own that. Because I think ultimately, everybody’s hearts in the right place. Like, we talk a lot about giving grace to people, like if you say the wrong thing, or do the wrong thing. It’s, it’s not who you are, as a human being like, you’re able to come back from those things. So hold, hold grace for each other, but how do we? How do we keep doing the work?

    CC Gardner Gleser: 23:06
    Yes. And when you said vulnerability, it was like ding ding, like, that’s it? How do we get folks to show up with humility, and, and the willingness to be vulnerable, and I think for so, because, again, best practice guy, or whoever somewhere said, like, this is what professional looks like. And then this is unprofessional, or, you know, on all of those things. And like, I remember, like, I cried at work, and it is like, oh, my gosh, this is so unprofessional. But I’m like, I’m a person. And I can’t just hold this anymore. I am like, physically in pain right now. I’m sad. And, you know, and, and some part of me needs to be repaired. And I have to believe in people and humanity. And if I’m making you uncomfortable, because I cried at the office, what are we doing? You know, you’re asking me to leave so much of me outside of the door, be a different person when I walk in, and we’re never gonna get anywhere like that. It’s like, and I need to see your vulnerability too, your humanity, because then that allows me to have grace for you. And I and I think about in the work I do in this relational reparations has been transformative for me, because I know for a while, I, because I didn’t really have deep relationships with white people. So in my mind, I’m thinking all white people are this way. And you all have access to resources and you all like, don’t have any problems because you have money. And you know, I think particularly working with wealthy folks, and once I began to get in deep relationships, I mean in it, it’s changed everything for me, like now, like before, you know, in a workspace, if a white person a white woman is like, well I can’t come in today because like, I’m just not feeling well. I’m like, are you serious? My people picking cotton they never got any day. I’m like, What the hell? Oh, you can’t come to work today because your tummy hurt? But, um, through this work, and I mean, the building of empathy that has happened, and, and knowing that I had to have spaciousness for that, and I’m like, Oh, my gosh, why is this my work? How did I get this work? It has shifted everything because now if a white woman says to me, you know, I’m actually I don’t feel good today. I can actually see her as an individual. And say, I see you don’t feel well, you know, you should do what you need to do to take care of yourself. And now I, because I can see her as her own person. And I don’t have that tape playing in my head of like, I don’t have to work all the time. I don’t get to take a day off. And, and the ancestors did this. And like, you’re you’ve had everything handed to you. Like, what’s wrong with you? None of that stuff comes in. Now someone can just say, I don’t feel well. And I’m like, okay, like, I got you, what do you what do you need. And that wouldn’t have come without, you know, the building of relationships and people being vulnerable.

    Erin Borla: 26:33
    How, so, I had, I remember, I had a phone call with another young philanthropist. And they said, I just we want to do this work. And we want to be in this space and that space, we don’t know how to find grant partners. And I said, get on the phone. And that was such a foreign concept of, I don’t want to call people. And I mean, I was in that space, when our organization grew, and we knew we had additional funds to distribute. I was on the phone, of the last weeks of December, calling, hey, I hear you’re doing great work, tell us what you’re doing. And the conversation would go one of two ways. They would not say a single thing, right, because it was the weirdest conversation they’d ever had. Or they wouldn’t stop talking for 45 minutes and tell me all the great things that their organization was doing. They’ve never had a funder, call them and just say, I’ve heard about you, tell me what you’re working on. And I think that’s where we can do better. Whether we’re working in an urban space doing social justice, or racial justice work, or whether we’re in a rural space, doing the same work, right, because let’s talk that there is diversity in spaces that is not just an urban center. So but it’s getting closer, and having those phone calls and saying I want to hear what you’re doing. And then being open about the way that our processes work to or like, {yeah}, hey, not everything is gonna be in our wheelhouse. And that’s okay. But I still want to hear about what you’re doing. Sounds like you’re doing great things in your community. So, and being heard, I think is such a cool thing. {Yeah} And can break down so many barriers of like, I’ve had the craziest thing happen, this funder called me and just said, Hey, I want to hear what you’re doing. It didn’t amount to any funding. But man, I felt like I built a partnership, or a relationship.

    CC Gardner Gleser: 28:28
    Yes, like how many relationships I still have with organizations where we’ve known each other for four or five years, and I was never able to move money to them, because it just, you know, didn’t align for one reason or another. But we built a real relationship where now I mean, we talk every once in a while, and we strategize together on who, you know, who are some organizations that want to fund this kind of work, and such. But it’s yeah, it’s so much deeper than just the transactional piece.

    Erin Borla: 29:03
    I had a phone call with a gal when we first were growing, and we talked multiple times. And then our application came, and I’m so excited to see what she was going to put forth. And I, she didn’t apply. And I called her and I said, you and I have talked three times. I’ve said all these wonderful things. I think I’m pretty great. I think you were pretty great. I never saw your application. And she said, I didn’t need your money. I needed the three introductions you made. And I’ll come back to you next year when I need when I maybe need capital or cash or something. But I didn’t need that right now. And that framed my whole process of how I do this work. And I’ve always been an inquisitive human being like I asked all the questions all the time. I’m like, do you know that person you know that maybe you’re not the first one that’s doing this? Like maybe you should talk to someone else who has done it before.Anyway we can all figure it out together. But to have somebody say I didn’t, I didn’t need the cash thinking that that was my value that I brought to the table right. {Right} as a funder, when they’re like, no, no, I needed that introduction that you made. Oh, that was a big deal.

    Speaker 2 30:16
    Yes. Oh, my, like, in one of these reparations groups I’m working with there was someone, a black woman that was raising money for a nonprofit she was leading. And, and she presented, you know, to the group, because we do these things called councils, where everyone shares like, this is what I’m working on, and where I can use support. And she was like, I’m trying to raise, I don’t know, $20 million, or $10 million. And I remember the white women were like, oh, my gosh, are you asking us for money? She was like, did I ever? I told you about what I’m working on. And so what are the ways that you can support me in this, and then it was like, once they figured, oh, this isn’t like just a fundraising ask. It was networks. And then a couple of them just held different house parties, or Zoom parties, because they have access to folks that we don’t know any of these people, we aren’t in those circles. And just through that, making those connections and introductions and hosting those events, that woman was able to raise the money for her organization. You know, and I think and it didn’t cost them anything to, I mean, social capital, they had to, you know, use their relationships and their, their networks. But I think it really opened the door that oh, my gosh, when people are asking for something, it is not because I’m a funder, or because I’m a wealthy person, it actually, is not always about money.

    Erin Borla: 31:55
    Thank you, for spending some time. I know, it’s been so fun to get to know you over the last several months and, and see the different things that we’re both working on. It’s like, oh, but that resonates. And this works so closely with the things that we’re doing here. Things that seem so disparate, and so far up. Especially now, when we talk about the political divisiveness of our country. We are so similar. And the things that we fear and love and care about are so similar. If we just pause and really take a look and get to know one another beyond the social media, beyond saying, well, I did that thing. And now I don’t want to talk about that thing anymore. I just, it’s been so great. Thanks for spending time.

    CC Gardner Gleser: 32:42
    Thank you so much for having me. This was great. Yeah, I just love talking to you.

    Erin Borla: 32:54
    I sure love talking with CC, I think it’s always just so, so great to hear how the how close we are as as people and as humans, and how similar we are. I think in the philanthropic world, we can acknowledge that we we have more than money to offer, that we have that access. You know, CC talked a lot about connections and networks. And what happens when we open up who we know, to be able to build those relationships to help one another. That’s something that we’re really proud of here at Roundhouse is, you know, I may not even be able to fund your project. But man, I know these other folks that that are really interested in what you’re doing. And I’d be happy to connect you with them. And I’d be happy to learn more. So I know if something else comes along, that might be helpful to have you all connected. It’s like how do we, how do we create those additional ripples in the pond? I think it’s important to acknowledge that sometimes that can be uncomfortable and discomfort is where we grow, right. So when we learn about other folks or other folks experience that, that makes may make us uncomfortable. But it’s okay. Being vulnerable as funders is really important. It can be very scary, being vulnerable on your own. It’s something that causes pause. And I think we’re supposed to be the ones as as funders that have it all together. And the truth is, we don’t know everything. We don’t know everything about people’s experience. We don’t know everything about what’s happening in a certain community. Or it’s just important to recognize that those are our shortcomings, and that we may have our own. So how do we show up authentically and open? I think it’s important that we all show up together, especially our funders outside of our comfort zone, and then thanking our allies as we’re doing that work. Those guides along the way that we lean on for education that help keep us in check. We want to show up for community as our whole self and sometimes that means we need to be knocked down a peg every once in a while, and I think that’s important. Thanks for listening. We’ll see you next time.

     

     

Published On: April 2nd, 2024 / Categories: Funding Rural Podcast /