Funding Rural | Episode #13: All Funders are Disaster Funders with Cari Cullen

During times of crisis, we often see the disparities in community resources. Cari Cullen from the Center for Disaster Philanthropy offers ways philanthropy can and should be showing up in the communities we serve during and after disasters. Cari reminds philanthropists it’s not ‘if’, but ‘when’, with disasters. Funders need to plan ahead, in partnership with government agencies and community stakeholders. And perhaps most importantly, we need to be listening for what the communities actually need.  After all, every funding area is different and also impacted by disasters. 

“It’s about allowing the community to know in those [disaster] spaces that it’s okay to ask for certain things from these large organizations that are coming in. It’s okay to say “no” to stuff. It’s okay to say “no” to that which we call the second disaster.”” — Cari Cullen

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More about Cari Cullen

 

As the director of the Midwest Early Recovery Fund, Cari Cullen leads the Center for Disaster Philanthropy’s early recovery work and the Native American and Tribal Recovery Program. During her 15-plus years of nonprofit management experience, Cari has directed diverse teams and projects. She has experience managing volunteers, fostering sustainable partnerships, developing curriculum and training, coordinating multi-state projects and leading national and international programming initiatives. 

Cari’s professional disaster recovery experience began in 2012 as the senior program manager for Camp Noah, where she worked with communities affected by disasters to assist them in understanding and meeting the needs of children post-disaster. In her other past roles, Cari served as a disaster case manager, state-wide recovery coordinator and project manager for the Midwest Consortium for Disaster Services. Through these experiences, Cari has developed expertise in post-disaster children’s needs, spiritual and emotional care, mid- to long-term disaster recovery, rural recovery and community needs assessment. 

A sought-after speaker on issues related to disaster recovery in low-attention disasters, Cari has presented on a wide variety of topics for groups such as RuralLISC, Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services, and the Cedar Rapids Area Community Foundation.  

A life-long resident of the “OTAs,” Cari currently resides in Fargo, North Dakota. When she is not working, Cari is reading, dreaming about her next vacation and solidifying her position as favorite aunt of eight of the best kiddos on the planet.  Connect with Cari on Twitter and LinkedIn.

“We have to look beyond the surface level and start to see that there are individual people and families that are trying to live out their lives.  And we have systems in place that make it untenable for them.  How can we address that as a whole?” — Cari Cullen

Discussion Questions

  • How does your organization fund disaster?  Where can you show up? 
  • What lessons have you learned from funding natural disasters?  How do you share those lessons internally and externally
  • Have you followed up with communities you have funded about recovery process?  How do you support their efforts and needs at that time?
  • What do you think about Cari’s discussion of ‘cash is king’?  In the philanthropic sector that’s often all we manage; how can we support others to understand that need and prevent the “secondary disaster”?
  • What does it mean that “All funders are disaster funders”? What does that mean to you?

Resources

 

“I think COVID let all of us peer into what happens in communities, in houses, after disaster, and how the disparities and marginalization are elevated in those spaces.” – Cari Cullen

Transcript: Episode #13| All Funders are Disaster Funders with Cari Cullen

Erin Borla:  0:00  

I’m Erin Borla with the Roundhouse Foundation. Today I want to dive into the world of disaster funding. What should philanthropic organizations do when disaster strikes? How should we allocate funds? Especially in rural communities where as we know, drought, wildfire, flooding and other disasters are becoming more common. Cari Cullen has some answers for us. She’s with the Center for Disaster philanthropy and directs the Midwest early recovery fund there. She works in a 10 state region west of the Mississippi, providing on the ground resources in rural and indigenous communities. Carrie has a wealth of knowledge and guidance for philanthropies who want to provide support to communities that have been hit hard by natural disasters. But Cari’s true expertise is in what she calls hidden disasters. Those that hit rural communities that we don’t hear about on the national news. I got connected with CDP after the 2020 wildfires hit us across Oregon. All of us at Roundhouse wanted to support our communities as quickly as possible. And we found the internal networks across the state challenging to navigate. As roundhouse continues to develop our community resilience program that supports communities to mitigate, respond and recover from disasters. CDP has been a wonderful partner, full disclosure, I also sit on their advisory board. Take some time after and stick around, I’ll share some of my takeaways from my conversation with Cari, and check out fundingrural.com. For show notes and more reading. I started out by asking what every funder wants to know. Something happens in my community, what’s my first phone call?

Cari Cullen:  1:38  

So for me, you know, my first phone call is those, those local like, whether it’s a place based funder, right. It’s the Community Foundation, sometimes it’s if there’s if that’s not available, it’s the United Way. And it’s just to start listening and having those conversations about what, what those needs are. I think it’s so easy for us to think about getting money out. In some senses, like we can see the immediate needs, right? Like you can see that people, or you can assume that people need water, and they need tarps for the roof. And they need, you know, some of those typical things that happen. But it’s so important for us to take in that, just to even take a beat and start to stop and to listen to community. I think we heard that loud and clear, just recently with with Hawaii, and the wildfires with them saying, hey, like we need, we need a little space to figure this out, right. We need a little space to start thinking about and putting all these things together. Because we want to do it in the right way. And we want to do it in a way that’s culturally appropriate. And sometimes we forget to do that with rural spaces, right? We think, oh, they just don’t have X, right. I look at the community and they don’t have whatever that is, whatever we have defined that, that that gap is. So we’re just gonna, we’re just going to fill it. Whereas when we sit and we can we can take the time to stop and listen in the midst of all that chaos and say, maybe they don’t have X, but what they need to solve for that is not us to fill that bucket. Right? It’s for us to think about what that other space is. I always think about meeting with the community and I kept talking about the flood that had occurred. And you know, I want to know what the impacts of the flood are? And what are you thinking about the flood? And, you know, how is FEMA coming in? And how was these other groups and, and the lady finally just stopped me and she almost she didn’t grab me, but she almost grabbed my face, right? And she is an grandma, and she said, I don’t know why you’re so concerned about this. These are the 12 things that are actually going on in my community that I’m worried about, right. And the flood was just another layer of that, but I’m worried about, you know, the seniors in my community having good housing, and I’m worried about the water that, you know, is the water clean, and I’m worried about do the kids have food, you know, at school, and so my solution wasn’t going to fit what, what I thought the solution should be wasn’t going to fit what the actual needs for that community was. And then we have to open up the door to have bigger conversations and bring in others in that space that are trusted to say like, can we do something about not about X but about X, Y and Z, right, for this space? So yeah. And then sometimes they’ll say, you know, I think it also is you’re saying like sometimes they’ll say that when some of those larger systems come into play in rural communities. It does cause a complete level, different level of chaos and complexity than they’ve ever really wanted to, or needed to interact with. And so often it’s, it’s kind of being that translator or interpreter for people to say. I had somebody just recently say like, can you just like, people come in and keep throwing around all these acronyms and keep throwing out all this conversation, can you, and he said it this way, can you dumb it down for me? Like, can you just make it into like these actionable, a couple actionable steps that I could take today? Instead of, you know, the next 10 years of strategy around recovery. So there’s a little bit of that too.

Erin Borla:  5:29  

Well in, in the context of disaster, oftentimes, we think of there’s, there’s big disaster response entities that come in, and how do you balance that oftentimes in lower attention disasters in a more rural space? We don’t see that quite to the extent that we do and in some of those larger spaces, but how do you balance sort of the the orgs, that kind of fly in and are there for sort of immediate response and then, but building community capacity for that sustained recovery? I know, there’s that’s been difficult here.

Cari Cullen:  5:59  

Yeah, I mean, I think, for us in our funding, we are only funding those types of like larger organizations that are willing to take the time to invest, to make sure that they’re leaving something behind, right. So I had one community actually just like, right out and say that to me, like, yes, like, please, like, we need help come and help. Like, we need that kind of assistance, but leave it behind. And they were even talking in terms of data, right. So some of our large organizations, they’ll come in, and they’ll collect information about what households were damaged, you know, who, who lives in those houses, some of that kind of information. And then as they move on, that information is not left with the community. So the community that has to start over, whoever maybe they’re forming a long term recovery group, or they’re forming some of these pieces. They, they’re left to start over to do that assessment piece all over. To start asking those questions again, about community to start doing that thesis. So it’s really about, maybe it’s about also like allowing the community to know in those spaces that it’s okay to ask for certain things from these large organizations that are coming in, it’s okay to say like, no to stuff. It’s okay to say no to the which we call the second disaster, right, especially for rural communities who get sometimes if they get attention, what they get is that attention for like, just, I’ve seen mounds of, for example, water bottles in rural spaces that somebody has, you know, with all the good intentions in the world, sent out a whole semi load full of water bottles, and the community has no place to store it, they have no, and so it just it, they have no use for it, they didn’t need water, etc. So it’s saying to them, you know, it’s okay to ask certain things of these larger organizations, as they’re coming into your community, to make sure that they respect your, your community needs, your if we could use the word sovereignty in the midst of that your your culture and your your dignity, so that they leave something behind as, as they’re as they’re leaving, and that they’re intentionally making sure they have relationship with you into the future. 

Erin Borla:  8:18  

I love that phrase, second disaster. Help me understand what that means.

Cari Cullen:  8:22  

Yeah, it’s the, it’s the, you know, the emergency manager who ends up with a pile of donated clothing that came out of somebodies, well intentioned, you know, I’m going to, I’m going to clean out my closet, because I heard about this event that happened somewhere. I’m gonna clean out my closet, I’m gonna, you know, put this on somebody’s taking a semi load, we’re gonna go, we’re gonna drop it off over here. And then, in those immediate stages, I would say clothing is often never used. Clothing is often never useful. But some of those things in the immediate stages are useful for communities. But what happens is they have to organize it, they have to figure out who gets it, who receives it. They have to track it as far as donations, and they end up like spending. I’ve seen communities spend a whole lot of time and energy taking in large amounts of stuff. That then nobody nobody ever comes in to receive. And so then they have to figure out like, what do we do with this new large space that we have full of, I mean, unimaginable things sometimes. Like we could tell stories about the junk that comes in as a donation. So I mean, end of the day like to avoid this second second disaster, cash is, is the best way to go right. Is to give and as much as possible to give unrestricted dollars to trusted organizations and that community can distribute that equitably.

Erin Borla:  9:56  

So it does lead into like, what does that look like for a funder, right? One, that building community, understanding community, knowing who to connect with recognizing the community foundations on the ground. But also unrestricted dollars or cash. And then what are some of the other steps that funders if there’s a disaster in their region can do to ensure that they’re being a good partner in some of this work?

Cari Cullen:  10:25  

Yeah, I mean, I think as much as possible beforehand, right, we know that disasters are it’s not it’s not if, it’s when, right. So as much as possible beforehand, to start to have those kinds of, whether it’s a state level or regional level, have conversations with some of those groups that are you’re seeing that are typically responding to disaster is one thing. So there is a community called the Voluntary Organizations Active in Disaster. And almost every state in the United States has one, right. And it’s, it’s a nonprofit organization, sometimes there’s government organizations involved, who come together regularly to talk about like, what how are we as a, as a community really going to respond as things unfold within our spaces. So I’ve always encouraged philanthropy, if you can be present at those tables, and to be part of that conversation, to do that. I think in other pieces to be the, you know, the convener of some of these conversations, right.  To say, to say, hey, let’s all get together as funders, and really learn together what is happening here in this space. And then like, let’s figure out how we can deploy that. Whether we can have, you know, some sort of an application that is all the same. So we’re not asking the same questions like multiple times, or at least we know what each other is going to do. So we’re not duplicating those pieces, is really important. And then yeah, like, it’s, it’s if you have the space to really dive into a particular community and a particular piece, to sit, and to take the time to really listen to those organizations on the front lines that are doing that. Whether it’s they’re doing case management on a regular basis, right. So they’re going to have some input in ideas about what is needed for funding in their community after disaster. If they’re, they’re regularly doing work with children and education, right, they’re gonna know. So it’s starting to sit and to listen, to have the space to do that. And then again, like as much as possible when we do grant to, to organizations and nonprofits to make sure that it’s as unrestricted as possible that it’s, or it’s flexible. I have so many grantees that like we kind of design what we’re going to do. What they want to do at the beginning of the grant. And you know, it looks really nice on paper, but it’s a disaster. So, six months later, 18 months later, there’s a whole nother set of things that they are dealing with and working on. And so the ability for them for us then, which is awesome as a funder to be able to say, okay, I understand that things have changed. Let’s make this easy, let’s have a simple form, you just let me know what’s going on. And we’ll, we’ll make the changes that are needed to keep you just keep doing the work, right. As much as possible are saying you do the work, we’re going to support it, let us know what you need from our end.

Erin Borla:  13:24  

It makes total sense, it means that it’s the it’s identifying those trusted partners that are already in community, and recognizing that coming in with like, hey, we’re gonna give you this this thing and you have to use it in the way that we give it to you isn’t going to actually impact the community in the way that we think that it will. But if we can find those resources on the ground, you mentioned the grandmother earlier about the one that was like, oh, no, these are the things that we need help with, stop trying to fix this other thing until we can fix these up these things first. But building those trusted partnerships and relying on those built systems that are already there, even though it may not look like what we think it needs to look like. Yeah, no, have you seen at all, I know, like we’ve had some issues here where people may get evacuated from a rural space and be asked to shelter in a space that they’re not comfortable sheltering. So they are from a very small community and asked to go okay, well, you’re going to end up in this metropolitan space in the fairgrounds, so you can be sheltered here safely. And we’ve had communities say no, thank you. I don’t, I don’t want to be housed there doesn’t feel it doesn’t feel like home or, or even home away from home. Have you run into that in other places?

Cari Cullen:  14:46  

Yeah, I think also in that like so often, we take those like shelter numbers, and we try to make determinations over it and when we’re talking about rural spaces and recognizing that so many people, their first call, their first space its gonna be, you know, a family member, a farm down the road, you know, the next community over where they, you know, they might know somebody. They’re, they’re looking for that social connection before they’re looking for that longer space, right. And so then our, you know, we’re like, oh, well, nobody needed shelter. So nobody must need assistance, like you run into that often. And I’m like, well, just because they didn’t choose to use those formal, formal shelters and those formal things that we had set up, doesn’t mean that they don’t, they may not need assistance with recovery, right? So we can’t base our numbers off of shelter numbers, necessarily, when we’re thinking about spaces? And, and, you know, yeah, it’s, it’s an ongoing challenge, because people are people are going to, especially in the midst of that type of trauma, right. They want to go where they’re comfortable, and where they feel safe, and where they know somebody else that’s aligned with them. And, and so, you know, how do we create then those spaces where they actually, they can go someplace where they’re, where they’re comfortable, where they want to be? And do that. And then how do we make sure that that on the same side, how do we make sure that those like temporary solutions that we put in place for housing, right, those, you know, we brought in a whole bunch of RV’s maybe I’ve seen this happen, right, we bring in a whole bunch of RV is for temporary housing. It’s a nice solution at the beginning, but how do we not then just like, move on to the next thing and forget that there’s this whole population of people that are suddenly still year after year and living in these temporary, what we thought were temporary solutions that have somehow become permanent, because we’ve moved on to whatever the next piece is in space, you know. We see increases in domestic violence in communities after disaster, we see all kinds of behavioral issues start to spike and to show up in schools. We saw that during COVID, right, I think COVID like let all of us peer into what happens in communities, in houses after disaster. And the, how the disparities and the marginalization is just elevated in those spaces. And so, yeah, we just we have to look beyond, we have to look beyond the surface level and start to see that these are individual people and families, and they’re they’re trying to live out these lives. And we have, we have systems in place that make it untenable for them. So how can we address that as a whole? Instead of just pick up the, pick up the debris off the curb, which is also a really valuable thing? Right, we need to get the debris off the curb? I’m not, I’m not saying we don’t. {Yeah, yeah.}

Erin Borla:  17:40  

No, it just brings up this concept of intersectionality. And particularly in philanthropy, we like to be very, like, this is how we do this work. And we, I’m an arts funder, I’m a climate funder. No, I don’t do that. I don’t do that work. But recognizing the need to understand the intersection of mental health, behavioral health, domestic violence, and disaster response and recovery. And you know, how that looks holistically, I think is so critical. I’m not saying everybody’s like, all of a sudden going to, you know, jump ship and do these things that are totally off from what their mission is. But I think understanding and recognizing that there’s interconnections through everything that we do, and we see that heightened so much in rural and frontier spaces is because the one guy, or the one gal, is running seven different projects. And I don’t have time to just tell you how this impacts only the climate. It impacts the climate and the school and the environment and our agricultural communities and our economics and our workforce. Just get it like how do we? {Yeah,} So.

Cari Cullen:  18:47  

I mean, we say all the time that all all funders are disaster funders, right? All funders are disaster funders. Whatever your area of interest, whatever, whatever you do on a regular basis, like there’s a space for you in the disaster in disaster funding, because disasters intersect with every sort of part and sector of community. And, you know, we can’t, we can’t we we used to have to like, almost preach that a little bit more. Again, I’ll go back to COVID. And now it’s almost like, in a sense, like, we all got it for a little while. We all saw it, for a little while. And I hope we don’t lose that, like ability to see that. These things that happen in our communities, they intersect with everything that’s going on, and it takes all of us to play our part in our role in it and to pay attention to it for our communities. 

Erin Borla:  19:38  

So you know, as we talk about rural spaces being impacted by disaster, typically that’s our more rural farmland or agricultural land, which then you know, if we if we lose pieces of that property, or crops or animals in crisis, it not only impacts the immediate impact of that loss, but then also, you know, ups or downstream to even when we don’t have access to that food that we were hoping for. Gosh, I think during, was a hurricane Ian when we lost a lot of citrus and tomatoes and other things that impacts our food banks and our grocery stores. But it also impacts that farmer on the ground and how they have to manage that property and livelihood. And that gets a little bit confusing and complicated. 

Cari Cullen:  20:23  

Yeah, yeah. You know, I think there’s a perception that is interesting in terms of like rural spaces being agriculture, right. But that agricultural people, in some sense, can take care of themselves, or there’s all of these subsidies, or there’s all of this, like, you know, like all of this, these resources that are available for AG. So in both ways, I like to push back and say, like, hey, like real spaces aren’t all agriculture, right? It is important in our food systems, and it is important, but they’re not all about agriculture. And this and that, there’s actually not, that the whole resources for agricultural communities after disaster is even more in some ways, I think even more complex than the resources that are available at the community level for disaster. The systems that we have created around food and access and and the way that we do agriculture in our, in our country doesn’t actually help, at least the the small farmers and those those smaller landowners thrive and create and do what they want it to do to, to, to improve the world and the systems around it either. So yeah.

Erin Borla:  21:32  

I think, you know, it’s it becomes this sort of wonky thing that you have to look at, right.  Not only is it impacting the system, but we’re also as we, as we look at that, you know, one farmer or group of farmers in a region, there is, there is some funding available when they lose a crop due to a crisis, but it’s tends to be a reimbursable. And it tends to be after the growing season. And so what ends up happening when you, what do they say, if you want to make a million dollars in farming, start with 5 million. It because it’s a really challenging industry to make a living on, and it is so reliant on every individual season. And so if you have something, an event, that impacts a full season, and you lose that income, you’ve already outlaid, the capital for that growing season. And so trying to wait on those reimbursables becomes really challenging. But then you also have the cleanup and the crisis that you’re managing, the debris pile, which sometimes involves critters and other things. Which then becomes these other health issues. And not only are you losing your livelihood, and your connection to the land and the crop and the product, but then you just you have to you there is no time there is no downtime. Anyway, I think it’s just important to recognize. 

Cari Cullen:  22:55  

Yeah, well and I think, you know, we spent a lot of time I spent a lot of time thinking about and trying to figure out like what do we do in, in situations, which is similar in the agriculture, but in spaces, where there’s drought, or there’s things that don’t actually, cause typically, the disaster recovery world is thinking about, again, repairing and restructures, right, and fixing kind of that space? And where they’re thinking about the potentially the mental health aspects of it. But what about those types of events. Like a large scale agriculture event that doesn’t appear to impact people in houses and structures? Like how do, what do we do in those instances to help communities? So think about that, and then just the the level of farm stress, right, I mean, those I grew up in a farm family, right, I know that it is an every every day almost like anxiety producing thing to walk outside in the summer and wonder, you know, myself, are those crops still going to be in the ground at the end of the day, because there’s this wind storm coming or this you know, XY and Z and the amount of debt that they carry, we carried into the season, that may or may not get paid off at the end of the season. 

Erin Borla:  24:05  

I wanted to touch also on the on the mental health and the mental health load in particular, we see, you know, as we talk about suicide rates, they are higher in rural spaces. And, and they are certainly higher after a disaster events. But I know they’re, I think the latest statistics are 29% higher in rural than they are in urban and, and I just think it’s important to note, as we, as we talk through some of these challenges, that there they really do bear a burden on the community that’s there. And so providing resources, recognizing those mental health challenges, that those, those additional ways that we can help provide longer support or access that is culturally appropriate and culturally appropriate, including rural communities I think is important.

Cari Cullen:  24:49  

Yeah, yeah. And I’ve seen I mean, I’m not supposed have favorites, right, but I have some favorites, projects out there and the University of Nebraska Lincoln Extension Office created the wellness and tough times toolkit after the 2019 flooding. And, you know, it seems so simple some of the things that they were doing, but they were so powerful. Things like, they opened up a chat line for seniors that lived in rural spaces, right, who had been missing kind of that party line telephone thing, right? Where you can my mom texts me all the time, or you could call it and all your neighbors are on the same line. And so they just, they just had that and they allowed people, they let people know this, you call into this number, and there’s just somebody there that, you know, we’ll just chat about whatever it is, and it decreases some of that isolation in some of those spaces. And I think that extension offices can often be a really good space to support as far as the mental health resources and means of these communities. And I would, I would love to see more, again, resources going into that. And for us to think about for rural spaces and mental health. While we still need to think about like the licensed professionals that are available in community. But think about, like community wide interventions and spaces where we can do, we can do that, at a broader level, to provide support for people. We just, we just need to do it differently in rural spaces, lets figure out what that is.

Erin Borla:  26:22  

Well, if you have any, what else would you want to share with our philanthropic organizations about how they should be thinking about disaster relief, response, recovery, maybe some of the mitigation work, preparation work.

Cari Cullen:  26:36  

CDP is really designed and is here to assist. So those who are in that philanthropic world. Like we are here to help in whatever way that we can. You think about how this could work out for equitable recovery from disasters. And so yeah, I will just offer that and say happy to continue conversations and to figure that out alongside. It is a really complex world and system. It takes some expertise to wade through, but to not be afraid of it. So again, CDP we’re happy to assist in any way that we can to figure this out together.

Erin Borla:  27:13  

I think it’s great. And I have so enjoyed working with you and the other team members that Center for Disaster Philanthropy, when even if stuff comes up and comes up in our region, or it’s like, oh, my gosh, we had this issue. Like we had a random hailstorm that took out several homes in one county. And it’s like, what do we do here? How does this work? Things that nobody is thinking about. So to be able to have a resource and have somebody that we can call and ask. And it’s been really beneficial and helpful. So thanks for spending time with us today. I really appreciate it. And most of the things that we talked about if there were questions or other things or other documentation, we will put links in so folks can access those after, after they’re done listening, but thanks for spending time today. 

Cari Cullen:  27:53  

Well, thank you, this has just been really delightful as always to chat with you Erin.

Erin Borla:  28:05  

For so many foundations, we define the issues or focus areas that we fund as who we are as foundations, whether it’s the arts, or education, or health, but natural disasters forced us to break down all those self imposed walls and barriers, and really just roll up our sleeves and get to work on the ground, putting the communities first. That’s why it was important for me to interview Cari for this series. The work she’s doing is so important. And her takeaways are so concrete for us as funders, I think it’s important that we lay the groundwork before a disaster. How do we get to know communities and who the community builders are, before something happens to convene those conversations ahead of time, because now we’re in a place where if it’s not if it’s when that disaster hits. She talked about cash is king, especially to those trusted organizations. Ultimately, I think people give from the heart. And they always want to put community first, they want to do what they can. And so we see people wanting to give clothing or other items that they think will be useful in those disasters. But what we’re really seeing is that cash is what is needed. Because ultimately, it takes somebody to have to go through all those items. It takes time. And there are so many jobs on the ground during the response time, after a disaster, that there is just no capacity for that. We have to talk about that recovery time, and how things really take time after something happens. Especially if magnitude for communities to recover, that recovery process will oftentimes when the news cycle ends, they have years to come back after that. So recognizing that the recovery, the toll on that community the mental health is something that we really need to look at. I think funders need to evolve, especially after a disaster. We need to adapt and see the changing needs in the weeks and months that follow. And then in that long term work. And most importantly, as we’ve talked about consistently, listen, talk to the folks on the ground, see what’s really needed before making decisions of oh, this worked in the last fire that we worked with, or this worked after the last hurricane. There might be something different. I think the other piece we just want to touch on is, is how disaster works in agricultural communities. And I think if we’re sometimes removed from that, so we don’t know what’s happening in that space, and we look to those communities, and we call and we say, oh, my gosh, I’m ready to help, what can I do? And then we’re frustrated when we don’t get the call right back. But maybe they’re out, the barn blew off the neighbors, neighbors barn and they gotta go put it back on, or they got to catch the cows that that ran or there’s all these different impacts that we don’t think about. So, trying to find folks on the ground, trying to pay attention to the social media feeds that are happening, and hearing what the community needs. Those are all really important things. Check out fundingrural.com for a transcript of today’s episode, links to what we’ve discussed, and all sorts of great information.

Transcribed by A.I. Please forgive any errors.

 

Published On: May 9th, 2024 / Categories: Uncategorized /